Comments on: Drum 'n' bass is the same as hip-hop, only double in speed http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed I amplify your awesome. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:11:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: tabali tigi http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50404 tabali tigi Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:30:25 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50404 By the way, the amen was used in hip hop before drum and bass really existed, so to say that hip hop and drum and bass are not related at all is just ignorant. I never said they weren't related, but i'm just saying it's more complex than just making hip hop double speed. I think Sinna has an excellent break down of drum and bass, but a misunderstanding of the connections of hip hop and drum and bass. Considering the b-boy crews gravitated towards drum and bass for a while, I would say that hip hop and drum and bass have already intertwined, and producers from both sides are taking elements from the opposite,like Ewun or El-P. I won't bother posting links, because if you haven't heard of those people, I just feel sorry for you. tigi By the way, the amen was used in hip hop before drum and bass really existed, so to say that hip hop and drum and bass are not related at all is just ignorant. I never said they weren't related, but i'm just saying it's more complex than just making hip hop double speed. I think Sinna has an excellent break down of drum and bass, but a misunderstanding of the connections of hip hop and drum and bass. Considering the b-boy crews gravitated towards drum and bass for a while, I would say that hip hop and drum and bass have already intertwined, and producers from both sides are taking elements from the opposite,like Ewun or El-P. I won't bother posting links, because if you haven't heard of those people, I just feel sorry for you.

tigi

]]> By: tabali tigi http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50403 tabali tigi Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:23:48 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50403 I'm glad that you can respond without taking that comment as a personal attack. I don't think you would hate pendulum so much if they changed up their formula more. Once artists develop a formula, they get stuck, and that tends to make things seem like "everything is the same", but everybody seems to hit walls in their creativity where they have to "break from their own formula", and what we're seeing is a lot of people getting stuck in their formulas. Prodigy is another great example. I'll give you their formula: Start with a nice heavy guitar riff, bring in the rolling drum breaks, then scream, and then go into the swing 2 step beat. THen the rest of the song is a variation of those things, and some ambient noise, and usually the same bass. It wouldn't be so easy if they didn't get stuck in their formula. Tigi I'm glad that you can respond without taking that comment as a personal attack. I don't think you would hate pendulum so much if they changed up their formula more. Once artists develop a formula, they get stuck, and that tends to make things seem like "everything is the same", but everybody seems to hit walls in their creativity where they have to "break from their own formula", and what we're seeing is a lot of people getting stuck in their formulas. Prodigy is another great example. I'll give you their formula: Start with a nice heavy guitar riff, bring in the rolling drum breaks, then scream, and then go into the swing 2 step beat. THen the rest of the song is a variation of those things, and some ambient noise, and usually the same bass. It wouldn't be so easy if they didn't get stuck in their formula.

Tigi

]]> By: Torley http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50103 Torley Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:26:36 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50103 @tabali: The title of my post IS a generalism, but an often-true one. Sure, there are exceptions which are exceptional who I enjoy very much, but it doesn't stray from the simple idea that drum 'n' bass + hip-hop have much more in common than mental divisiveness (and askew marketing) would have many believe. And thus, I'm in total agreement with you about "People get into trouble when they try to quantify/qualify something like music" — GREAT! YES! I'm vs. the mistaken beliefs that these are not connected. @tabali: The title of my post IS a generalism, but an often-true one. Sure, there are exceptions which are exceptional who I enjoy very much, but it doesn't stray from the simple idea that drum 'n' bass + hip-hop have much more in common than mental divisiveness (and askew marketing) would have many believe.

And thus, I'm in total agreement with you about "People get into trouble when they try to quantify/qualify something like music" — GREAT! YES!

I'm vs. the mistaken beliefs that these are not connected.

]]> By: tabali tigi http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50032 tabali tigi Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:18:18 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-50032 I think by saying that hip hop and drum and bass are almost the same, you are really missing the differences within the genres. If you find REAL artists, they don't sound LIKE anyone else. You can hear their influences, but they develop their own sound. Thus, all drum and bass can be called drum and bass because it shares elements like tempo, the use of amens, 808,etc...but the arrangement and different stylistic influences of each producer make each song different. People get into trouble when they try to quantify/qualify something like music, because in classifying it, you miss the spontaneous creativity that makes that track individual. ALL MUSIC IS RELATED, not just drum and bass and hip hop, but on a grand scale drum and bass and hip hop could be cousins, and rock and roll would be both of their uncles, etc... I think by saying that hip hop and drum and bass are almost the same, you are really missing the differences within the genres. If you find REAL artists, they don't sound LIKE anyone else. You can hear their influences, but they develop their own sound. Thus, all drum and bass can be called drum and bass because it shares elements like tempo, the use of amens, 808,etc…but the arrangement and different stylistic influences of each producer make each song different. People get into trouble when they try to quantify/qualify something like music, because in classifying it, you miss the spontaneous creativity that makes that track individual. ALL MUSIC IS RELATED, not just drum and bass and hip hop, but on a grand scale drum and bass and hip hop could be cousins, and rock and roll would be both of their uncles, etc…

]]> By: Torley http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-49407 Torley Sun, 28 Sep 2008 14:22:11 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-49407 @wired4distortions: Please explain more, you hurl insults but you don't clarify! See my reasoning above, which makes the connections clear. :) @wired4distortions: Please explain more, you hurl insults but you don't clarify! See my reasoning above, which makes the connections clear. :)

]]> By: wired4distortion http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-49269 wired4distortion Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:51:45 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-49269 mate you must be taking the piss, first of all you mention PENDULUM in the drum and bass scene - schoolboy error mate. what theyre doing in the drum and bass arena fuck knows. secondly, very rarely do you find any hip hop that sounds grimey enough to be even remotely similar to DnB. all music genres influence each other, yeh fair play but this article couldnt be more from the vain mate you must be taking the piss,
first of all you mention PENDULUM in the drum and bass scene - schoolboy error mate. what theyre doing in the drum and bass arena fuck knows.

secondly, very rarely do you find any hip hop that sounds grimey enough to be even remotely similar to DnB. all music genres influence each other, yeh fair play but this article couldnt be more from the vain

]]> By: Torley http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-42025 Torley Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:09:14 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-42025 @Sinna: You disprove your own argument by saying "nothing" and then saying there are "some influences". Provide audio examples to substantiate your case! I already have above, and it's airtight. :) There've been a lot of MCing in DnB (notably ragga jungle but other strains too). Excellent example: the Knight Rider remix by Futurebound + Matrix which has MC Spyda. Yes, it's an album track. Yes, DnB is poorly-conducive to albums: » http://torley.com/why-are-good-drum-n-bass-albums-so-hard-to-find Also articulate how Pendulum is so "worst", especially in context of: » http://torley.com/pendulum-in-silico-is-rockingly-superior-drum-n-bass Also see my recent mention of Benga. @Sinna: You disprove your own argument by saying "nothing" and then saying there are "some influences".

Provide audio examples to substantiate your case! I already have above, and it's airtight. :)

There've been a lot of MCing in DnB (notably ragga jungle but other strains too). Excellent example: the Knight Rider remix by Futurebound + Matrix which has MC Spyda. Yes, it's an album track. Yes, DnB is poorly-conducive to albums:

» http://torley.com/why-are-good-drum-n-bass-albums-so-hard-to-find

Also articulate how Pendulum is so "worst", especially in context of:

» http://torley.com/pendulum-in-silico-is-rockingly-superior-drum-n-bass

Also see my recent mention of Benga.

]]> By: Sinna http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-41717 Sinna Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:33:54 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-41717 Drum & Bass is NOTHING like hip hop. Let me start with there are some influnces from hip hop to dnb and vice versa but they are no way related. Hip hop's main focus is the MC. Tunes usually have a meaning to them projected by the MC. Drum & bass (which happens to be one favroute genres of music) is DANCE music. It is the biggest underground rave music in London. The most important thing about DnB which doesn't exist in hip hop is the bass drop. Sometimes live there will be an MC on a dnb set, but almost never on a album track. Have a listen to some propa DnB producers (not Pendulum because he is one of the worst things that has happened to dnb) commix, dj hazard, high contrast and you tell me how this is even slightly simular to hip hop. Or in fact have a listen to some dubstep music (skream, benga) which is the new big thing in London which has influences which meet in between hip hop and DnB Peace Drum & Bass is NOTHING like hip hop. Let me start with there are some influnces from hip hop to dnb and vice versa but they are no way related. Hip hop's main focus is the MC. Tunes usually have a meaning to them projected by the MC. Drum & bass (which happens to be one favroute genres of music) is DANCE music. It is the biggest underground rave music in London. The most important thing about DnB which doesn't exist in hip hop is the bass drop. Sometimes live there will be an MC on a dnb set, but almost never on a album track. Have a listen to some propa DnB producers (not Pendulum because he is one of the worst things that has happened to dnb) commix, dj hazard, high contrast and you tell me how this is even slightly simular to hip hop. Or in fact have a listen to some dubstep music (skream, benga) which is the new big thing in London which has influences which meet in between hip hop and DnB
Peace

]]> By: Torley http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-41480 Torley Sun, 25 May 2008 13:46:17 +0000 http://torley.com/drum-n-bass-is-the-same-as-hip-hop-only-double-in-speed#comment-41480 @Seraphine: Your comment almost looks like a poem. "Rubato" is a musical term... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubato @Alec: I haven't heard that remix yet; thanks and you're welcome! @Vint: That's fun! @Seraphine: Your comment almost looks like a poem. "Rubato" is a musical term… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubato

@Alec: I haven't heard that remix yet; thanks and you're welcome!

@Vint: That's fun!

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