I was musing today about the Amazon Mechanical Turk, which makes use of humans for cheap labor to accomplish tasks that are hard or unable for computers to (presently) do. I was browsing the offers on a whim to see if there was anything I'd want to sign up for, and the brief answer is no.
But, a few mouseclicks later, it got me to thinking: I have an awful lot of Flickr photos that could use better tags. Image recognition is still in its comparative infancy, and Flickr can't tell automatically, say, that this is a hedgehog:

And not only that — it's sleek, shiny, green and pink, and appears to be standing on some rocks in a fuzzy pink seabed. You'll note the current tags are: secondlife, torley, slbuzz, color, crazy, wetheral. Using the great SLBuzz crossposting service from Second Life-to-Flickr, "slbuzz" always gets inserted. I chose "secondlife" and "torley" to always be included, "color" and "crazy" are from the original postcard's title, (tags get made out of pretty much every word in the comments too), and "wetheral" is the region name.
There's so much more that could be done to make this image searchable! Beyond tags, Flickr notes (rectangular areas with captions) could be added to identify specific points of interest, and while they aren't seen much on my photostream, I'd welcome them.
We live in an era where digital prints are a few cents (in US currency) apiece. Frequently, the first few dozen are free. So relatedly, think about this: how much would you pay someone to tag your Flickr stream? Precisely, to manually contribute words describing the actual content (people, places, things) and also some subjective descriptors like emotions aroused ("sadness"). And has anyone earned money for such a chore, yet? I did some casual searches and couldn't find any matches on Mechanical Turk or elsewhere.
I'd expect this has already been done. In any case, not well-known. For the longest time, I've set permissions so any Flickr user can add tags to my pics as they see fit; I've only observed it done infrequently (and wish I could generate some stats of that to show you, but there doesn't appear to be an easy way).
It doesn't have to be about money either: I don't discount the possibility of communal tagging sessions, where users arrange to tag a set, collection, whatever of each other's photos and make such visual information more retrievable. As exciting as visual search is, we still describe what's in them in words — text — and imagine what gems in the annals of Flickr and other photosharing sites might be deliberately found (in addition to "stumbled across") and enjoyed?
I also feel strongly about this because sometimes after uploading pictures, I feel like I'm not the best one to describe 'em. I sometimes think,
"Are these the right choices?"
then a stream of consciousness flurries forth upon the keyboards, Enter is dutifully pressed, and soon enough, the uploads are done. I tell myself that if I want, I can add tags later, but I hardly ever do unless I come across a long-lost snapshot I'll need to retrieve time and time again… like my watermelon logos (note the comprehensive tagging on that, but it could still use more):
Thus, I invite your thoughts; and in the meantime, I invite you to tag these:
in return, if you're on Flickr and allow for it, I'll tag some of yours.
Let's call it a little experiment.









Cool idea, I definitely think its quite unique! Perhaps a suggestion would be a website where users could register, the flickr image owners could put up a 'bounty' for images to be tagged, or an entire collection, the users could then receive a percentage of the bounty based on their work and also get voted based on their quality of their tagging, does this sound probable?
I think the communal tagging might be the way forward, as Torley discusses their is not much monetary value in digital pics, and most people looking at pics with have many of their own.
Tag and be tagged! thats what I say anyway…
I have a growing collection of images taken in my past year of sl life… never get round to tagging them and I really should, but tagging another's pictures is more interesting since I didn't take them and have not seen them before. I guess in some ways I may be more subjective in my tags than the owner?.
Just my thoughts…
sorry torley… spelled my name wrong!! (sl saves my name so I need not remember it)
wooooo ! Wild vertigo featured on torley's blog !! awesome, thx
BTW : the awesome castle is planned to be destroyed Jan 13 or 14. it was a special Xmas event build.
A few months ago, Amazon Mechanical Turk was awesome. I mean, I still love the idea, but just in the past few months, they must've done something to attract the crowd that wants to buy links, blog posts, etc.
While not distributed, I did run into this problem at my former employer. We printed retail packaging stuff, like soup can labels, with integrated pre-press in the same company. Chances are, you have some of their labels in your house right now.
I had written a nifty web app to manage the raster digital assets (photos, stock art, commissioned art), but there was no easy way to search it. We hired an intern to tag every image with keywords.. about 20,000 or so. She surprisingly tore through them in about 2 weeks.
We were paying her about $9/hour probably, so lets say $1000 total cost for 80 hours labor, once you figure in other overheads on 80 hours labor. This works out to 5 cents per image.
I figure this is about your price point if you were do this in a distributed way. You can't count on international labor since keywords are somewhat country specific, and a non native speaker might not get all the nuances.
You'd also probably need some redundancy, asking the same image to be done several times by several different people, if you really wanted good descriptions… sorta like recaptcha does to throw out bogus results.
@Nexii: I've heard of the "bounty" approach tried in other contexts; even a crude CraigsList ad might provoke some "mass tagging" reactions. It does sound probable to me, but I think some "cheap" experiments are in order to see how practically viable they are.
@Mercury: Hello! And yes, subjectivity is part of why I was thinking about this — someone who took a photo may not see certain beauty, qualities, interpretation, etc. that others will, and could conceivably add useful tags that way. A pair of "fresh eyes" could add usefulness to searchability.
@kerunix: Aww I will miss the castle. Verily, it is awesome. Really liked the lights and how storybook it looks.
@Day: Last time I checked the Turk, I did see a lot of bloated for-advertising requests on there, which *does* have a place, but I couldn't find more stuff of interest. I have been piqued by mentions of "podcast transcription" tho, since that's (speech recognitions) still something not reliably done by machines, generally speaking.
@Gigs: Great thoughts! Wow, so an intern was actually hired for this. I wonder how common that is at some (non-Flickr) stock photography agencies, too. SOMEONE's got to do it to increase visibility and viability of finding useful images, I'd think! Anothe profession where it pays to be a fast typer too. Re: "non native speaker", that is a good point, but from an anthropological perspective, it's intriguing to see how different people around the world see the same thing. I wouldn't want embarrassing typos in my tags, tho!