It'd be endearing to see if you've noticed the core truths of these generalizations too.
- Most people don't actually read all the way through a long forum thread or blog comments. They just want to get to the submit form and post their two cents.
- The same's true for an original blog post or news article. (It's a sure psychological test.) Don't be depressed, make a drinking game out of how many people ask about something that was already answered and can't be bothered to Ctrl-F (Cmd-F for you Mac'ers).
- Count on human weakness, that someone's inability to adapt has blinded them to evolve viewpoints. Their stagnant responses will reveal as much.
- A paradox: video responses convey more human bandwidth but are harder to maintain momentum responding to. The asynchrony baffles.
- Expect few to reply repeatedly to a thread with helpful info. A safer bet's on the nuts and quacks to show up.
- Following a "vigorous debate", no one's mind is changed. There are no revelatory epiphanies, no "Thank you for substantiating I was mistaken!" People go on, worse than TV characters, their personalities ungrown.
- There are a lot of lonely people who are afraid to develop lasting friendships, having been hurt too many times before, so they post humorous one-offs or vile snipes. They'll never admit it but — what if they could?
- Trolls are lonely. There are lots of lonely people in the world. (Draw your own conclusions.)
- Retweeting and replying in the same tweet is like ordering a whole turkey and dessert.
- People tend to sound meaner in text alone, goofier on webcam…
- … and hardly anyone provides alternate timeline versions.
- I've yet to come across software that provides such branching, either.
- If you try really hard, you, too, can find a community where your fringe views are the majority. How beneficial this is depends on what those views are.
- Fun is often out there. Usefulness is not. The two are pretty fine bedmates.
- It's easier to get people outraged over dead animals than humans. Equally true for the hurt but not-dead.
- Eating the popcorn means not being a star of the show.
- If you find someone who earnestly asks, "Help me understand what you mean?" even if they disagree, you've found a treasure.
- Very few superconnectors. Prize them too.
- ALL THIS… FOR NOTHING?
- Novelty is fresh. Continually seeking new experiences after years on the web, even more.
- No matter how high-tech we get, storytelling will triumph. And along with it, sadly, superstition.
- We have people wanting to stand out. We have people wanting to fit in. And then there's people who are both. Those are the most interesting.
- We haven't found an equivalent verb to "photoshopped" for videos yet. "Fake" doesn't cut it.
- Someday, guys playing girls will be mundane. And they won't have to pretend.
- There are legends among us.
- The fact that people are so often telling each other to "google it!" means that search's ease-of-use knight is still slain by the laziness dragon.
- We'd all be better off if we had P2P filesharing for emotions. Try to stop that, RIAA.
{ 12 comments… read them below or add one }
haha Wowwwww… I really love this post. Made me smile, laugh, bow my head in approval, and educated me.
I specifically liked:
-Count on human weakness…
-A paradox:…
-Fallowing a "vigorous debate"…
(however, I found some who have learned and changed after. Like myself. I can't say the changes last, or were big, but it happened.)
-Trolls are lonely…
-It's easier to get people outraged…
-If you find someone who earnestly…
(really liked this one)
-ALL THIS… FOR NOTHING?
and
-There are legends among us.
Huh? Wha'd'zu'say? hehe. Actually, you used the term "Superconductor" but I don't really know what that is, outside of the chemistry definition. Hugzzz, Yordie
You've been reading the SL Blogs on policy changes!
Stunning observations, Torley.
I am still amazed at your communication skills. To reiterate what we already know, what we already see and experience and present it in a fresh new way that it seems new and interesting. Nodding vigorously and we keep reading.
Why can't every…okay, even a simple majority of people on the 'interwebs' at least think like you, if not express themselves in like fashion?
Gonna have to link to this one from my Tumbler blog.
@Alexis These pithy proverbs came out after years online.
@Yordie Superconnectors, people who are exceptional at bringing others together so they can do magnificent things.
@Ari To be clear so there's no misunderstanding ('cause this post is bound to have at least one person who reads it the wrong way without asking… ironic, HAHA) this of course goes much broader than Second Life. It talks about human problems (and challenges). And thank you… I'm enjoying your Tumblr! Followed ya on there.
I just realized I wrote that when not logged in. It's okay, I can prove it's REALLY ME!
–If you try really hard, you, too, can find a community where your fringe views are the majority. How beneficial this is depends on what those views are.–
QFT.
–Eating the popcorn means not being a star of the show.–
May I please, please, please render that into a LiveJournal icon?
-Following a "vigorous debate", no one's mind is changed. There are no revelatory epiphanies, no "Thank you for substantiating I was mistaken!" People go on, worse than TV characters, their personalities ungrown.-
I'm sure everyone's had trouble with a useless online "debate" at least once. Heck, I bet it's just as bad offline. It's not that easy to change someone's mind about anything. We need a better way to get a point across…
I read this the other day and looking back now, two comments stand out:
• Following a "vigorous debate", no one's mind is changed. There are no revelatory epiphanies, no "Thank you for substantiating I was mistaken!" People go on, worse than TV characters, their personalities ungrown.
• If you find someone who earnestly asks, "Help me understand what you mean?" even if they disagree, you've found a treasure.
When one settles on a view on things/people, it is difficult to change. Reading, participating in debates as well as continue to be open this way could lead to actual experiences that may change the view. As with your comments on life, it also involves incremental changes over a long period especially with entrenched opinions (may not change at all of course).
So although there may not be immediate changes after a debate, I consider such a gathering (online/offline) a treasure as an effort to understand each other and ourselves. However shallow some of the comments may appear on the surface, it is up to me to take lessons home from the whole debate.
And yes, not reading through the whole tread of a discussion before adding a comment isn’t productive or helpful …
I have one!
Most people don't actually read all the way through a long forum thread or blog comments. They just want to get to the submit form and post their two cents!!
Hahah! Thank you, Torley. I've been following you there for some time and I am *amazed* at the stuff you find (okay, the pink Gundam robot this morning is awesome!) In fact it's almost frustrating because you don't have comments ability there (via Disqus)
And yes, I am fully aware your list applies across the entire web, usenet, IRC and all the rest. It's funny and sad at the same time. Wait! Isn't that an oxymoron? Time-dimension-shifting always is a fascinating subject.
/me wonders if it's "Live long and prosper" or "Nannu-nannu".
@thattagen Offline ones tend to not get as complicated as people are more spontaneous when they get angry, rather than wasting 1 hr. writing a vitriolic rebuttal. People forget what they argue about offline, not so much online.
@An Afterthought Aye, I do agree most people find it "difficult to change", are set in their ways, are even embarrassed to admit they're wrong. An exceptional few are more fluid about adapting — they're exceptional.
But to be reasonable, if someone's view does change, they may not communicate it in that forum thread. It may be necroposting for some to come back months later and declare a "Thank you!", esp. if the original poster doesn't see it (or doesn't care), but again, this would be a rare and treasured thing of "closing a loop" and helping each other. Especially if someone else stumbles on the thread and wonders "WHAT HAPPENED?" I don't expect anyone to be a mindreader.
@Ravenelle @#$%
@Ari Maybe I should add Disqus to Tumblr, I've heard good things.
Keep up your good work, Torley. Keep amplifying those positive loops!